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It
would be good to have everyone to be able to share and that should be
done. If someone can work honestly to make themselves a comfortable
life; there is nothing wrong with it as long as it is honest. However,
if the poor are not taken care of, that shows a lack of compassion on
everyone's part. Time and chance have some to do with how successful a
person is and sometimes a lack of success is due to the person him or
herself, whether due to lack of, or, misplaced ability, or due to lack
of interest. There really has to be a among the governmental ideas that
people have a balance and a hoping for the best in whatever system you
lean to as it has been shown impossible through years of trial and
error that people can rule themselves. It appears that power corrupts
and it goes from there.....
Just
to be totally cynical...compassion has less to do with "spreading the
wealth around" than self interest. Not being at the lower end of the
financial spectrum, I have a lot to lose should there be any civil
unrest coming from masses of staring and disenfranchised poor. Also,
having another civil war, because of regional poverty doesn't protect
my financial intersts either. The more wealth you have accumulated, the
more it is in your interst to avoid any dramatic social upheaval.
Besides, if the middle class and poor have more money, they'll spend
it. They spend money, it fuels the economy, which, assuming you're not
a trust fund baby, you'll have enough intelligence to make more than
enough money to compensate for that 3% tax increase. Let's not forget,
even Ronald Reagan raised taxes.
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Castro-Trotsky-Opiate of the Masses-Socialism-BLA-BLA, Comrade.
My Hero!
Well, your response has gone beyond my wildest expectations!
I
only asked you to admit to being a Communist. Well, you've admitted
being a Communist; proven yourself to be a fool; and displayed a nearly
pathological devotion to the bankrupt religion of Socialism. Oh, and
you proved your total ignorance about the subject you have made a straw
dog attempt at arguing.
Socialism is a bankrupt and failed philosophy that destroys everything it touches. Great minds all agree on that conclusion!
“Socialism in general has a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it”
“One
of the consequences of such notions as "entitlements" is that people
who have contributed nothing to society feel that society owes them
something, apparently just for being nice enough to grace us with their
presence.”--------------------Thomas Sowell
“Socialism is a
philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy,
its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.”
“The
inherent vice of capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings; the
inherent virtue of socialism is the equal sharing of
miseries.”-------Winston Churchill
“Democracy and socialism have
nothing in common but one word, equality. But notice the difference:
while democracy seeks equality in liberty, socialism seeks equality in
restraint and servitude.”---------- Alexis de Tocqueville
“Socialism is workable only in heaven where it isn't needed, and in hell where they've got it”-------------- Cecil Palmer
“Socialism:
nothing more than the theory that the slave is always more virtuous
than his master”-------------- Henry Louis Mencken
“Socialism is the religion people get when they lose their religion”------------Richard John Neuhaus
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Castro-Trotsky-Opiate of the Masses-Socialism-BLA-BLA, Comrade.
My Hero!
[deletia: image of Lenin]
Thanks
again for demonstrating that you cannot argue a single point that I
made, and instead need to make up words that I did not say, pretending
as if I said them.
Well, your response has gone beyond my wildest expectations!
Sadly,
yours was poorly disappointing. Not once did you address a single point
that I made. Great job, Benito Gilmore! Bravo! I hear they have a job
for you at Minitrue.
I only asked you to admit to being a Communist. Well, you've admitted being a Communist[citation needed]; proven yourself to be a fool[citation needed]; and displayed a nearly pathological devotion to the bankrupt religion of Socialism[citation needed]. Oh, and you proved your total ignorance about the subject you have made a straw dog attempt at arguing.[citation needed]
Remarkable how easy it is to claim that something was proven without citations to back it up.
Socialism is a bankrupt and failed philosophy that destroys everything it touches. Great minds all agree on that conclusion!
Again,
you’re straying from the argument at hand. No-one here (that I have
seen) is arguing in favor of socialism. However, it’s been brought up
numerous times that you take advantages of goods and services that, by
your logic, are either socialist or communist in nature. Instead of
attempting to refute any point that I have made, you resort to
generalization and trying to change the subject. ‘Great minds’ is
terribly subjective. Depending who you are discussing that subject
with, they might consider Marx and Engels
to be great minds. Certainly, both of them had greater minds than
yours. They could actually argue points, rather than resorting to the argumentum ad hominem that you bemoan when used by others about but largely employ yourself.
Of
course, we all know that you cannot admit that you are wrong, or
support your arguments about how Obama will turn the United States into
a communist/socialist/fascist state. Your hero Bush has done more for American fascism than any other President, but I am sure that you are blind to it.
Not
once have you seemed to demonstrate understanding that the United
States is not a 100% Free Market capitalist economy. Surely, with all
your History and Economic degrees, you have heard the term ‘mixed
economy’. Please respond with an explanation in your own words
(including citations) as to why the United States is one, and the
benefits of this. I can do it, and since obviously (to quote you), you
are smarter than I am, so let’s see the astounding wonders of Dan’s
economic and historical prowess.
[deletia: quotes that have nothing do with any of the points that I made.]
“Socialism is the religion people get when they lose their religion”------------Richard John Neuhaus
And that last one is you, my friend.
Obama is a socialist.
So
now you’ve moved on to attacking me based on yet another of America’s
vaunted freedoms, the freedom of religion? Truly, sir, you are a
patriot. You’ve managed to attack two of the amendments in the Bill of Rights in this thread alone.
Otherwise,
it seems that you’re engaging in some type of pointless
pseudo-intellectual masturbation; I seriously doubt your ability to
quote people in a message board is impressing anyone, when you can
neither debate a topic nor support your arguments. Perhaps you take
some sort of infantile pleasure in your ability to ejaculate words of
ignorance, fear, and hate onto the internet.
Any moron with
Google can parrot others. Yet, though compared to you, I am a gibbering
simpleton (at least in your mind), I can manage to link documents
supporting my arguments, a feat that has heretofore eluded you, despite
an explanation of how to do this in my last response.
Keep trolling, Dan. The more ridiculous your claims get, the more we can laugh at you.
I
look forward to seeing your economic dissertation mentioned above, to
demonstrate your self-professed knowledge. If you can’t deliver, then
you must be proving me right.
To demonstrate that you have a functioning intellect, when the threads you start seem to indicate that not only is your capacity for logic lacking, but you are also a racist, bigoted hypocrite?
Thank you for conceding that you cannot. I accept your apology.
You are as dedicated to Socialism/Communism/Marxism as a Jihadist is to destroying western civilization.[citation needed]
Keep
going, maybe in the next post you can accuse me of being a terrorist.
It seems you’re following the McCain campaign playbook, and have
already started the groundwork for linking me to terrorism. Have I
terrorized you, Dan, by suggesting with concrete evidence that you are
a never-ending litany of baseless claims, illogical rationalization,
and hypocritical behavior? Perhaps you should take your signature to
heart and attempt to think.
Why, pray tell, would I want to
destroy the things on which my lifestyle is so dependent? Please come
up with actual reasons. I look forward to hearing them.
More Godwin’s Law,
eh? Thanks for once more illustrating that you are a pitifully
ignorant, narrow-minded racist bigot, and thanks again for letting me
demonstrate that I can refute you point for point, but you cannot even
attempt to do the same.
One would hope so, but Dan the Doublethinker
seems bent on an endless litany of anti-Obama nonsense and personal
attacks, and I fully intend to continue to pick them apart until he
either gives up or resorts to showing his fascist colors and unpersons me.
I
find it very depressing the number of ridiculous anti-Obama posts on a
board that is ostensibly devoted to music and antique phonographs. It
would be one thing if there was some grain of truth to any of them, but
they are merely repeated diatribes of hate, bigotry, and racism,
defended merely by personal attacks. Such things should have no place
on a board dedicated to the appreciation of music and the impressive
feats of acoustic engineering designed to reproduce it.
I am
proud to live in a nation of widely diverse ethnicity, religion,
beliefs, and opinions, and I refuse to tacitly approve Dan’s message of
fear and hate through my silence.
We need to move past bigotry and racism, and remember that it is self-evident that all men are created equal.
I
am proud to live in a nation of widely diverse ethnicity, religion,
beliefs, and opinions, and I refuse to tacitly approve Dan’s message of
fear and hate through my silence.
We need to move past bigotry and racism, and remember that it is self-evident that all men are created equal.]
Ever heard of "Affirmative action", equality lover? So
you think in your fantasy world there is nobody to fear and nobody to
hate? And you still have lock on your door? How hypocritical of you... Obama,
as I know him, up to now, is socialist. Socialist in USA is lowest kind
of scam for me. That's why I don't like him, if he change his political
views, I could change my attitude toward this man. Hate, fear as
pain could be very helpful for you... If you do not feel pain, you
might never know that you ill, and when you go to the doctor, it could
be too late. Hate toward liberals can be very good for this country,
cos' it will mobilize people to fight and change coming regime.
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author=mordeth board=ot thread=9872 post=98766 time=1226049559][quote
author=admin board=ot thread=9872 post=98745 time=1226019088] Socialism is a bankrupt and failed philosophy that destroys everything it touches. Great minds all agree on that conclusion!
“Socialism in general has a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it”
Let me disagree with you... Al Capone said "With kind word and revolver you can reach much more, than just with kind word" ... Smart leaders and Gulag... and we have USSR sending man in space, living USA waaay behind Leader like Obama could send USA toward horse driven plow...
But
I suppose that you’re all for failing to safeguard and protects the
rights of others, as long as you don’t fit into the same group as those
others. After all, your rights and privileges are more important than
other people receiving the same treatment.
So
you think in your fantasy world there is nobody to fear and nobody to
hate? And you still have lock on your door? How hypocritical of you...[citation needed]
You
know, Kalash, I don’t live in fear, and instead of hating people, I
prefer to hate the ridiculous, bigoted and racist ideas that they
spout. (You seem to be even more full of them than Dan does.) Sure, a
lot of the time conversing with these people is about as effective as
beating one’s head against a wall, until they finally realize just how
stupid and ridiculous their arguments are. In your case I wonder if it
would require you getting to live in the Gulag that you advocate.
For your sake, I hope not; I do not advocate imprisoning people for being ignorant or stupid.
I
have lived in places where I never needed to lock my door, and have
never had to install a door lock (they come pre-installed with houses
and apartments). At the moment, my door is unlocked, although the
building door is locked. Were you planning to break in and attack me,
to give me something to fear?
Please explain how valuing one’s
privacy (and not making it overly easy for burglars) makes respecting
the differences of others hypocritical behavior. Now, if I had
automated perimeter defenses like something out of a bad Hollywood
action film (with guns and tripwire), I could see how you could make a
case that I am living in fear, but I have yet to fortify my apartment.
It might be because I don’t live in Soviet Russia.
Obama, as I know him, up to now, is socialist. Socialist in USA is lowest kind of scam for me. [sic] That's why I don't like him, if he change his political views, I could change my attitude toward this man.
Perhaps you could read Obama’s plans for the economy
and cite the socialism contained there? Since neither you nor Dan has
demonstrated any sort of capability on this front, Obama must not be
the socialist that you claim that he is. If he was, surely you would be
able to support your claims.
I have no clue what you mean by “Socialist in USA is lowest kind of scam for me. [sic]” If you’d like to clarify this statement, I’ll reply to it. Are you trying to say that Obama is a scam artist?
Also, as I pointed out to Dan, in the spirit of democracy, if you disagree with Obama’s plans for the economy, you have ability to submit your comments and suggestions
on any of Obama’s policies. Instead of parroting Republican talking
points (which lost the election), why aren’t you doing this, if he is
so wrong?
Hate, fear as pain [sic]could
be very helpful for you... If you do not feel pain, you might never
know that you ill, and when you go to the doctor, it could be too late.
I
am very thankful that you are not my doctor. Hate and fear do not have
anything to do with pain as a sign of the need for medical treatment.
If you believe otherwise, go visit the nearest doctor and see what you
are told when you ask to have your bigotry surgically removed. Please
report back how that goes. You might also inquire whether they offer a
procedure to implant sanity.
Hate toward liberals can be very good for this country, cos' it will mobilize people to fight and change [the] coming regime.
So,
because the popular vote in a democratic republic went contrary to your
beliefs, you advocate hated and violence to improve things? And worse
yet, hatred and violence over views that are thoroughly ridiculous and
misinformed? I’m glad more people don’t share your views. You do
realize that the reason Barack Obama won the election is that the majority of the American people deemed him more qualified to fix the crisis that the United States is facing, as opposed to John McCain?
Let me disagree with you... Al Capone said "With kind word and revolver you can reach much more, than just with kind word" ... Smart leaders and Gulag... and we have USSR sending man in space, living [sic] USA waaay behind Leader like Obama could send USA toward horse driven plow...
So basically, what you want to say is that Bush and Guantánamo
would be great if Bush wasn’t an idiot? Would you feel the same way if
you were imprisoned there unjustly, without due process of law? With
the “my fellow prisoners”
gaffe, you must have been firmly behind McCain. Let’s just imprison
everyone who doesn’t agree with us, and we’ll have a wonderful nation.
Sure, vast numbers of our current citizenship would not be able to
enjoy it, but it would still be wonderful, right? Perhaps we should
follow your advice, slip into martial law (since “you can reach much
more” with a gun), shoot any dissenters, and maybe bill their families
for the bullets. That really sounds like an America in which I’d like
to live.
If that’s your kind of place, perhaps you should move to China.
Your metric for what makes a great nation (being first to put a man in space) is laughable. Even if space race firsts
were really the only standard by which a nation should be judged, USA
vs. USSR ended with a score of 31-27. That’s only a close score in
American football.
Most
more rational people generally measure their country by their freedoms
and standard of living, and I think you view the USSR/Russia through
rose-colored lenses. How many people defected from the Soviet Union to
come to the United States? And the reverse? Are you capable of
inferring which was a better place to live, both then and now?
You argue like some sort of deranged bizzaro-Yakov Smirnoff:
“Russia, what a country! In Soviet Union, you cannot complain. In
America, I complain how great it was back in Soviet Union!”
If things in Russia are so wonderful, why don’t you live there?
— MordEth
Edit: Corrected the lack of an accent on ‘Guantánamo’ and linked it.
Re: Obama's "National Police Force" is on the way. « Reply #51 Yesterday at 10:18am »
Quote:
If things in Russia are so wonderful, why don’t you live there?
— MordEth
Thanks for asking, I am now planning to do so and already start to sell my gun collection. As for the rest, you naivety, that border natural idiocy, make useless political debate with you.
Not when someone calls me a bigoted racist because I criticize the 'Chosen One'.
That type of criticism is all too reminiscent of Hitler's Germany.
Do
you know that Jews going to the synagogue that faces Obama's House in
Chicago must put their names on a list with the Secret Service (SS) 24
hours ahead of time just to attend services?
Do
you know that Jews going to the synagogue that faces Obama's House in
Chicago must put their names on a list with the Secret Service (SS) 24
hours ahead of time just to attend services?
I'm
kinda glad Isreal is not being Coddled By U.S. at this point in time...
But why Doesn't Obama Move? Or he could do like one Shoe company owner
did up here; Bought is neighbours homes and Tore them down for his
fugly mansion
As
for Security, the U.S. has a Clear history of killing Preseidents every
now and then. I am not surprised he's taken to being extra precautious,
Even if it's tax payers dollars... i'd say he's being prudent....
[aside] I could
break into 24 sussex (Drunk) and catch Mrs. Harper tip-toeing through
her kitchen, naked in the middle of the night save for an Oero cookie
in her mouth.
Why? same reason why a dog licks himself - cuz' he can! [aside]
Gimbert:
Oh I'm not a happy man Lovejoy; I'm not well liked, I drink far too
much when the Doctor says I shouldn't, I have a Sister with green hair
who slags it off with every stud in the Parish as you can well
testify....
No, I need you Lovejoy. Since my Wife died I... I need Someone to hate... ......Pull!
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Re: Obama's "National Police Force" is on the way. « Reply #55 Yesterday at 8:54pm »
No, I mean "red" as in Socialist - in this case National Socialist.
Oh,
I can't wait until everyone hears that US Secret Service (SS) is making
Jews verify their identity 24 hours ahead of time to attend services at
a synagogue that happens to be actually 4 blocks and half a mile away
from Obama's home. I wonder if they make the members of Rev. Wrights
church do the say as it is only 2 blocks away from Obama's Socialist
Elite Mansion?
Your papers, please? No papers?
Why
doesn't Obama just have the Secret Service (SS) make attendees of the
Synagogue wear little yellow stars on their coats to speed up the
identification process for purposes of efficiency?
This is
God D*amned disgusting, offensive and unconscionable. For God's sake!
Don't these idiots know what message they are sending? Have they even
the slightest clue? Does anyone have any idea of the message being sent?
Just one little 'harmless' thing done that no one cares about. And that's how it all starts.
As for the rest, you naivety, that border natural idiocy, make useless political debate with you.
Yes,
truly your baseless insults to my intelligence in broken English have
refuted everything that I have said previously. (Disclaimer: sarcasm.)
It is amazingly idiotic to actually research the topics on which one
writes, and even more moronic to actually cite them as links to one’s
text. (More sarcasm.) Despite the fact that I keep providing actual policies,
statements, and other legitimate sources of information for you to
refute, not once has this happened. Instead, you and Dan the McCarthy
continue to go with less-than-victorious Republican sound-bytes,
demonstrating that while you may not have the facts, at least you took
a brainwash thoroughly.
Obviously, the height of your argument is that you can link a cartoon:
I
took the liberty of making it an inline image, rather than just a link.
It’s amazing how only the ‘natural idiots’ seem to manage such feats,
when their ‘intellectual betters’ cannot.
You can also use the Add Tags: button showing a picture (between the [globe] link button and the [envelope] e-mail button), then paste the URI between the [img] and [/img] tags that this button inserts.
Certainly the fact that someone drew a cartoon of something means it must
be true. (Note: yet more sarcasm.) Thank you for demonstrating that
while I can provide facts, quotes, and sources to support my arguments,
Dan can seemingly only provide inapplicable quotes and pictures (embedding a picture of Lenin must make it true), and you can link cartoons (again, which must make it true).
Since you cannot come up with any actual facts, I accept your concession.
I forgive your bigotry and ignorance, good luck to you when you return to Mother Russia.
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author=kalash board=ot thread=9872 post=98903 time=1226157496] It’s
amazing how only the ‘natural idiots’ seem to manage such feats, when
their ‘intellectual betters’ cannot.
Animals in circus can to tricks I can not... But they still just dumb animals.
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Seriously? 
I’ll have to remember that one. Here I was thinking that my future
plans were quite capitalist; I’ve already budgeted how I am going to
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