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Yesterday at 11:30pm, kalash wrote:
Yes, exactly like obamidoids.


I like how you’re now making up words to try to insult people who do not share your views, and have the ability to rationally dissect what you have to say, when you don’t even know what you’re talking about.

Obviously, one should not make rational decisions on who to elect, based on their policies, track records in office, and the views, policies, and behavior of their opponents. One should always strive to be an informed voter. By the way, I’m still registered Independent, as much as you and Dan the Doublethinker want to stereotype me otherwise. ;)

It’s amazing to me that there is so much racism, bigotry and hate on a forum for the appreciation of music that includes the Jazz Age. Am I the only one who realizes that we would not have this uniquely American form of music if we were all Caucasians with the same beliefs? Should we stop listening to opera if we aren’t Italian? Can one appreciate Mozart without being Austrian? Where does the insanity end?

Seriously, if you are going to argue against a politician, at least take the time to read their platform, and argue the facts.

Kalash: Here, I’ll even make it easier for you. The Agenda CSS drop-down menu doesn’t seem to work when run through Google’s translation tools, but you can access them here and paste other URIs in.

Since you continue to fail at arguments, I accept your surrender.

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Yesterday at 7:37pm, Dan Gilmore wrote:
Not when someone calls me a bigoted racist because I criticize the 'Chosen One'.


Dan, it’s really quite sad how many times I have to set you straight. You are not a bigoted racist because you criticize the ‘Chosen One’ (your usage, not mine). You are a bigoted racist because of the content of your criticism of Obama. But surely your intellectual credentials allow you to realize this, yes?

Obviously, you’re also un-American, because you argue against the freedoms defended by the Bill of Rights: so far you have spoken out against freedom of speech, and apparently do not believe in freedom of religion. (Sure, if my beliefs do not match yours, my religion is magically socialism. Your grasp of logic and reasoning is truly astounding.)

Just think, if you can be against eight more amendments intended to protect the rights of Americans, you will complete the set! ;)


Yesterday at 7:37pm, Dan Gilmore wrote:
That type of criticism is all too reminiscent of Hitler's Germany.


Yes, Benito Gilmore, we have picked up on how quick you are to Godwin’s Law your way out of a debate or argument that you cannot win on facts. You lose again. I accept your surrender.


Yesterday at 7:37pm, Dan Gilmore wrote:
Do you know that Jews going to the synagogue that faces Obama's House in Chicago must put their names on a list with the Secret Service (SS [sic]) 24 hours ahead of time just to attend services?

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/11/08/....rtual-fortress/

Visitors to the synagogue that faces his house must put their names on a list 24 hours before they attend so that their identities can be checked.

Even the leftist Times of Longon [sic] verifies this.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/wo....icle5110674.ece


You know, at this point I am stunned at your displayed cognitive powers. Seriously, did you actually read the articles that you are citing? From Fox News’s very first sentence in the article:
President-elect Barack Obama's Chicago neighborhood has become a very different place to live now that Secret Service agents have turned the once easy-going area into a virtual fortress to protect the next president, The Times of London reported.
So let me get this straight, you are corroborating an article that merely quotes another article with the original article?

At what type of accredited university did you obtain your myriad (and unsubstantiated) “degrees in History and Economics”, that would allow you to corroborate a source with that source’s source? Seriously, the level of journalistic integrity displayed by The Dan Gilmore Times is laughable.

Perhaps you might want to check with more local sources of news (e.g. ABC News in Chicago)? Alas, they did not confirm your 24-hour list detail, mentioning only that they were required to show ID, and one of the members of the synagogue stated:
“For me it seems like I’m on the safest block in America. So, for me, it’s worth it,” said Ayesha Aftab.
There definitely seems to be oppression going on down there, like The Dan Gilmore Times insinuates. Watch the video they provide of the news story, and see how concerned the people there seem to be about this perceived civil rights outrage. Obviously the ‘virtual fortress’ that was nowhere to be seen must have been covered up by ABC.

Now, let’s think about your commentary critically, shall we? First of all, what is Barack Obama, currently? The President-elect of the United States of America, and a Senator representing Illinois. Now, what powers, pray tell, does the President-elect have? None, until noon on 20 January, 2009, when he is sworn into office. So right now, the only power Obama wields is as a Senator of Illinois. Tell me, do Senators control the police or the United States Secret Service (which is actually abbreviated as USSS)? No, they do not. The Secret Service reports to the Department of Homeland Security, which is not controlled by Obama.

So please explain to us, Dan, how is Obama responsible for the imagined injustices that you are decrying? By being elected? By already having at least one (if horribly inept) plot to assassinate him already foiled?

Is performing any sort of cursory fact-check anathema to The Dan Gilmore Times? Because it seems you will write any sort of ridiculous slander, as long as you can spin it into a negative slant that fits your ignorant, racist, and bigoted beliefs.


Yesterday at 7:37pm, Dan Gilmore wrote:
I have no concern about Obama being half black - what bothers me is that he is all 100% red.


So you claim, but the depths to which you stoop to make unfounded ridiculous attacks on the man seem to indicate otherwise. You merely attempt to dress it up in other concerns to hide the true nature of the hatred and bigotry that you continue to spew. If you are truly not the hateful racist bigot that you portray yourself to be, then attack the man on his policies or on some actual real issue for which he is responsible. Doing otherwise only continues to prove my points.


Yesterday at 8:54pm, Dan Gilmore wrote:
No, I mean "red" as in Socialist - in this case National Socialist.


Yet to this date, you have yet to deliver a single shred of evidence to prove this assertion.


Yesterday at 8:54pm, Dan Gilmore wrote:
Oh, I can't wait until everyone hears that US Secret Service (SS [sic]) is making Jews verify their identity 24 hours ahead of time to attend services at a synagogue that happens to be actually 4 blocks and half a mile away from Obama's home. I wonder if they make the members of Rev. Wrights church do the say as it is only 2 blocks away from Obama's Socialist Elite Mansion?

Your papers, please? No papers?


You’re hell-bent on beating everyone to death with your delusional Nazi parallels, aren’t you? I think I’ve covered this sufficiently above, but to reiterate, since apparently you are not intelligent enough to understand this: Obama is not in charge of either the Chicago Police Department or the United States Secret Service. Is that clear enough for you? Now lay off replacing "USSS" with "SS" to try to add your lovely racist Nazi slant.

Seriously, it’s tiresome, and it’s a rancid heap of nonsense.


Yesterday at 8:54pm, Dan Gilmore wrote:
Why doesn't Obama just have the Secret Service (SS [sic]) make attendees of the Synagogue wear little yellow stars on their coats to speed up the identification process for purposes of efficiency?

This is God D*amned disgusting, offensive and unconscionable. For God's sake! Don't these idiots know what message they are sending? Have they even the slightest clue? Does anyone have any idea of the message being sent?

Just one little 'harmless' thing done that no one cares about. And that's how it all starts.


You’d like that, wouldn’t you? The hateful little man, hiding behind his computer keyboard to repetitively hammer his increasingly ridiculous litany of hate with a never-ending deluge of badly-crafted lies and attempts to twist reality to sell his message? Do you know who deserves the credit for the Department of Homeland Security, whose Secret Service you are accusing Obama of controlling? Your beloved Republican President, George W. Bush.

So, unless Obama is actually a Darth Vader-esque automaton with George W. Bush inside controlling him, once again your arguments are lies and nonsense and a complete waste of your time and ours.

Of course, you could be doing something productive, like submitting your ‘expert’ opinion to help improve America for everyone, but since you have demonstrated your lack of intellect and expertise, I suppose this is impossible for you, and you will continue to argue nonsense, lunacy, and lies in here.

Until you can argue a real issue, for which Barack Obama is actually responsible, I can only infer that you concede defeat, and once again I accept your surrender.

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« Reply #62 Today at 7:25am »

How is speaking out against what is absolutely wrong 'hateful'?


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Do you know that Jews going to the synagogue that faces Obama's House in Chicago must put their names on a list with the Secret Service (SS [sic]) 24 hours ahead of time just to attend services?

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/11/08/....rtual-fortress/

Visitors to the synagogue that faces his house must put their names on a list 24 hours before they attend so that their identities can be checked.

Even the leftist Times of London verifies this.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/wo....icle5110674.ece


I suppose your next argument is that you can't hold Hitler responsible for what the Brownshirts did because he didn't order it, exactly.

Obama wouldn't have all this security if he didn't specifically request it. He is responsible. This 'your papers, please' incident involving a Synagogue DOES send a very clear message and it was INTENDED to send a very clear message.

HOW DARE YOU even imply that pointing out the truth is hateful. YOu are employing the exact tactics that Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin and Franco used to try to marginalize and silence any and all opposition.

YOU are exactly the same as the very people in Germany who sat back and did nothing when the exact same thing happened. You dismiss such abhorred and deplorable acts as 'unintentional' and harmless and then you accuse those who criticize, quite validly, those actions as being 'hateful'.

So, let me ask, someday, if and when they ask these people to sew on little yellow stars to their shirts and coats will you say, "Oh, HE doesn't mean anything by it; it's just for their own protection".

When they silence free speech and all opposing opinions WHEN, not if they apply their beloved "Fairness Doctrine" will you say, "Oh, HE doesn't mean it."

When they finally reach into your own house, family and private life and tell you, "Oh, HE is only doing it for your own good" will you still be blind?

When they finally put the clamps on you, what will you do when there are no voices left to defend you?

This is always the way it begins. A little here, a little there, until finally it is everywhere and it's too late.

I'm sure Hitler, Franco, Mussolini and Stalin called their critics "hateful" too.

I know more than just a few survivors of Hitler's Death Camps who have the tattoos to show for it who all say, "This is exactly how it began in Germany". Are they hateful too for drawing that conclusion from their own experience?

Maybe I should invite a few Death Camp survivors onto this board to tell you from their own live experiences what a blind jackass you are and how very, very wrong you are.

Would you dare call them "hateful" for telling you exactly how it is?

Would you dare call them "hateful" for criticizing "The One"?

It starts in a neighborhood in Chicago with one little harmless 'security measure' and it enevitably ends up here:

http://img367.imageshack.us/img367/8788/arbeitmachtfreigh6.jpg

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And if you think it can't happen here, you are dead wrong.

And not thinking it can happen here and being blind to even the slightest hint to it happening is to assure that it will happen again and happen right here.

Never again, I say. We must always be vigilant and be outspoken, no matter what the abuse we get for pointing out at even the tiniest little indications of tyranny and despotism. Never again.

But I suppose you will just call me "hateful" when I join in with the world wide chorus that cries out, "Never Again".

What the Secret Service did in regards to that Synagogue in Chicago is "Hateful" if you ask me and millions of other people who agree to pledge to say, "Never Again". I don't care if they intended to send such a message (and I fully believe that the message was absolutely intended because no one could be so ignorant to not know the implications) or not, but a message they did send and I say NEVER AGAIN!

You are pathetic. You are blind to history and you are one of those who facilitate it's repetition by your blind ignorance and intolerance of those who have absolutely valid concerns when it comes to even the slightest hint of crap like this.

So, just call me "Hateful" when I say, "NEVER AGAIN!"


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http://hotair.com/archives/2008/11/0...-mac-collapse/

Emanuel tied to Freddie Mac collapse; Update: The numbers for Emanuel
posted at 11:30 am on November 7, 2008 by Ed Morrissey
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During the campaign, Barack Obama had to fight off assertions that Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae had him in their pocket while the two GSEs committed fraud and declined to their collapse. Obama didn’t help that perception when he chose Jim Johnson, Fannie Mae’s former CEO and chair, as the leader of his VP search committee, a position Johnson resigned shortly afterwards. Now ABC reports that Obama’s new chief of staff, Rahm Emanuel, sat on the board of Freddie Mac during the critical period:

President-elect Barack Obama’s newly appointed chief of staff, Rahm Emanuel, served on the board of directors of the federal mortgage firm Freddie Mac at a time when scandal was brewing at the troubled agency and the board failed to spot “red flags,” according to government reports reviewed by ABCNews.com.

According to a complaint later filed by the Securities and Exchange Commission, Freddie Mac, known formally as the Federal Home Loan Mortgage Corporation, misreported profits by billions of dollars in order to deceive investors between the years 2000 and 2002.

Emanuel was not named in the SEC complaint (click here to read) but the entire board was later accused by the Office of Federal Housing Enterprise Oversight (OFHEO) (click here to read) of having “failed in its duty to follow up on matters brought to its attention.”

Emanuel’s action, or lack of it, came during a time when the SEC says Freddie Mac misrepresented its income to investors in order to maintain its price. In other words, they committed fraud. The SEC specifically notes that Freddie did this in 2000, 2001, and 2002, and Emanuel sat on the board in 2000-2001.

This is no small matter. Had this happened when Sarbanes-Oxley was in effect, Emanuel would have had to sign off on those numbers under penalty of perjury. He could be liable for criminal prosecution. As it is, his actions and omissions as a board member may still result in civil and criminal liability, if the SEC discovers that he had a hand in the fraud committed at Freddie Mac, or if Emanuel knew about it and failed to act to stop it.

For an incoming administration that ran on cleaning up the greed on Wall Street, the selection of Emanuel speaks a lot louder than any campaign promises. One might think that anyone who sat on the boards of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac while the two GSEs cooked the books and set the stage for global financial collapse should at least be considered political poison for any appointment, let alone one as significant as White House Chief of Staff — if nothing else, then at least on the basis of competence. Instead, it looks like Obama is bringing the Chicago Way to Pennsylvania Avenue.

Hope and change, indeed.

Update: Business & Media Institute notes the numbers on Emanuel and Freddie Mac:

“Clinton’s going-away gift to Emanuel was a seat on the quasi-governmental Freddie Mac board, which paid him $231,655 in director’s fees in 2001 and $31,060 in 2000,” Lynn Sweet wrote for the Chicago Sun-Times on Jan. 3, 2002.

During the time Emanuel spent on the board, Freddie Mac was plagued with scandal involving campaign contributions and accounting irregularities. Freddie Mac and its sister organization Fannie Mae were taken over by the federal government in September 2008 after years of mismanagement and scandal. Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson put the two beleaguered GSEs into a conservatorship, stripping common stock shareholders of their rights to govern the companies. …

“Freddie Mac was accused of illegally using corporate resources between 2000 and 2003 for 85 fundraisers that collected about $1.7 million for federal candidates,” an Associated Press story from April 18, 2006 said. “Much of the fundraising benefited members of the House Financial Services Committee, a panel whose decisions can affect Freddie Mac.”

And, since his successful run for the House of Representatives in 2002, Emanuel has been the beneficiary of campaign cash from Freddie Mac and its sister organization Fannie Mae – $51,750 according to the Center for Responsive Politics Web site OpenSecrets.org.

That’s certainly something to keep in mind while recalling the promises by Barack Obama to change the way business gets conducted in Washington.
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« Reply #64 Today at 8:43am »

Dare I intervene into this little charade of an argument and say this: there are two clearly opposing views on show here; probably neither are right as the truth is usually somewhere in the middle BUT it has become a very depressing thread to read and it is very clear to me that neither "side" has a single hope in hell of convincing the other that they are "right" so what is the point of carrying on, folks?

And I do believe personally that it is a little bit sad to mix REAL historical truths with potentially false future predictions. We're now remembering today those dead from all wars of the past (and present) so isn't it a little crass to confuse the Nazi state which presided over the killing of 6 million Jews with Obama's policies which have only so far been talked about, least of all, actioned?

I'll go back to PHONOGRAPHS now and let you two slug it out for another 7 weeks! ::)
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Today at 7:25am, Dan Gilmore wrote:

So, let me ask, someday, if and when they ask these people to sew on little yellow stars to their shirts and coats will you say, "Oh, HE doesn't mean anything by it; it's just for their own protection"


:o :o :o :D

Wow Dan. Do you honestly believe that's even possible in this day & age, & in the USA of all places. It just all seems a little far fetched to me for some reason.
As far as I can tell, the only reason for the secret service involvement is to protect Obama from assassination attempts by racist white supremacists or religious extremists.
Perhaps sewing a black heart or white halo on these peoples coats wouldn't be a bad idea ;D
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Today at 7:25am, Dan Gilmore wrote:
How is speaking out against what is absolutely wrong 'hateful'?


The part of it where you are blatantly failing to denounce the parties responsible, and as far as I can tell, only citing a news source that is of dubious credibility and appears to be exaggerating the story.


Today at 7:25am, Dan Gilmore wrote:
I suppose your next argument is that you can't hold Hitler responsible for what the Brownshirts did because he didn't order it, exactly.


No, my next argument is going to be to go through your post line by line and tear you apart, which is something that you have yet to manage to do to me because of the sheer logical fallacies of your arguments. Why is it that I have never seen you write anything against Bush’s forays into American fascism, but now Obama (who still has absolutely no power to do the things of which you are accusing him) is the rebirth of Hitler?

Seriously, Dan, can you please explain that to me? You continue to cite the actions of people over which Obama has no control. There’s a big difference between the people you are using as cases against Obama and Hitler’s Sturmabteilung (which are also different from the Schutzstaffel (or SS), which you repeatedly want to confuse with the USSS).

To be honest, I’m starting to wonder if you’re actually a closeted Nazi. Lately, every post is “Hitler, Hitler, Hitler”. Does it make you angry that one of my closest friends is of Iranian descent, and she married a Jewish man? They’re quite happy together, and have two children. No doubt you’d accuse her of being a terrorist.


Today at 7:25am, Dan Gilmore wrote:
Obama wouldn't have all this security if he didn't specifically request it.[citation needed] He is responsible.[citation needed] This 'your papers, please' incident involving a Synagogue DOES send a very clear message and it was INTENDED to send a very clear message.


So you’re telling me that despite all evidence to the contrary, Obama has specifically requested this level of protection?

From the ABC article:
The Secret Service does not discuss specifics, but said it will balance providing a secure environment for Obama and his family with as little an impact as possible on neighbors.

The Secret Service and Chicago Police Department have been working on the plan, which is constantly evolving, for more than a year.
You do realize that basically what you are now saying is that over the last year Obama has been plotting for how to oppress the people at his synagogue?

And of course, you are ignoring Ayesha Aftab, who is no doubt glad that there is a police and Secret Service presence so that she or her fellow synagogue members have less to fear about being in the line of fire when someone attempts to put deed to your rhetoric, and decides to attempt to assassinate Obama.

Obama must really be Hitler, because the neo-Nazis want to kill him.

Yet for all the attention on fabricated and twisted interpretations of events that you can alter to fit your agenda, you have nothing to say about the perfectly real situation down in Guantánamo, that your other anti-Obama comrade-in-arms Kalash supports? How about Abu Ghraib? How about warrantless wiretapping? How about the fascist seizure of laptops and other devices by the Department of Homeland Security? The unconstitutional PATRIOT Act? The federal government demanding everyone’s search histories. (Sadly, I could go on, but since I know you won’t acknowledge these, it’s not worth my time.) Your beloved Republican party has been taking away our civil liberties (or trying to) for the last 8 years.

Your Presidential darling McCain has more honor than you do:
Senator Obama and I have had and argued our differences, and he has prevailed. No doubt many of those differences remain. These are difficult times for our country, and I pledge to him tonight to do all in my power to help him lead us through the many challenges we face.

I urge all Americans who supported me to join me in not just congratulating him, but offering our next president our good will and earnest effort to find ways to come together, to find the necessary compromises, to bridge our differences, and help restore our prosperity, defend our security in a dangerous world, and leave our children and grandchildren a stronger, better country than we inherited.

Whatever our differences, we are fellow Americans. And please believe me when I say no association has ever meant more to me than that.

Today at 7:25am, Dan Gilmore wrote:
HOW DARE YOU even imply that pointing out the truth[citation needed] is hateful. YOu [sic] are employing the exact tactics that Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin and Franco used to try to marginalize and silence any and all opposition.


That’s just it, Dan, you’re not pointing out the truth. You’re grasping at any bit of sensationalist and questionable journalism you can find, twisting it so hard to match your bias that it screams like the torture victims under your beloved Bush, and patently ignoring any request for you to support your arguments. Why aren’t you blaming the man responsible for the ‘Brownshirts’ that you are decrying? Because it doesn’t fit your agenda?

Plus, I am really impressed by how you keep projecting*. Who threatened censorship, Dan? You did. Who was it using religion as a grounds of attack? You were. Again, I could go on, but since you do not address my points, it is pointless.

Obviously, I must be leading you and your family to the concentration camps, because I can’t see how it is that I am ‘silencing’ you. And you’ve become the Godwin’s Law radio programme: “All Nazis, all the time!”

Surprisingly, you have a functioning internet connection in Dachau, so I must be a failure as a fascist.


Today at 7:25am, Dan Gilmore wrote:
YOU are exactly the same as the very people in Germany who sat back and did nothing when the exact same thing happened. You dismiss such abhorred and deplorable acts as 'unintentional' and harmless and then you accuse those who criticize, quite validly, those actions as being 'hateful'.


No, Dan, I did something already, like 53% of American voters. I voted against McSame. I commend McCain for his stand against torture (and thought he was a good choice in 2000), but 90% of the time he voted the Republican party line, which has gotten us into the mess that our nation is in, and is responsible for the eroded civil liberties that I cited above. Of course, nowhere is there any evidence that you are against the evils of your party; your litany of hate has apparently latched on to Obama because:

a) You really are the racist, bigoted man that you seem to be, and cannot stand that half his heritage is African-American.

b) You are a poor loser and are bitterly (and rabidly) disappointed that your candidate was judged wanting by the American people, and so must lash out in your hate and rage.

c) Like your oft-mentioned Hitler wanting to blame all of Germany’s problems on the Jews, you insist on blaming all of America’s problems on Obama, because he is a convenient scapegoat, and you find it easy to get other bigoted racist people to support you in this view.


Today at 7:25am, Dan Gilmore wrote:
So, let me ask, someday, if and when they ask these people to sew on little yellow stars to their shirts and coats will you say, "Oh, HE doesn't mean anything by it; it's just for their own protection".

When they silence free speech and all opposing opinions WHEN, not if they apply their beloved "Fairness Doctrine" will you say, "Oh, HE doesn't mean it."

When they finally reach into your own house, family and private life and tell you, "Oh, HE is only doing it for your own good" will you still be blind?

When they finally put the clamps on you, what will you do when there are no voices left to defend you?

This is always the way it begins. A little here, a little there, until finally it is everywhere and it's too late.

I'm sure Hitler, Franco, Mussolini and Stalin called their critics "hateful" too.

I know more than just a few survivors of Hitler's Death Camps who have the tattoos to show for it who all say, "This is exactly how it began in Germany". Are they hateful too for drawing that conclusion from their own experience?

Maybe I should invite a few Death Camp survivors onto this board to tell you from their own live experiences what a blind jackass you are and how very, very wrong you are.

Would you dare call them "hateful" for telling you exactly how it is?

Would you dare call them "hateful" for criticizing "The One"?

It starts in a neighborhood in Chicago with one little harmless 'security measure' and it enevitably ends up here:

[Deletia: embedded “Arbeit macht frei” image that you failed to link properly.]

And if you think it can't happen here, you are dead wrong.

And not thinking it can happen here and being blind to even the slighted hint to it happening is to assure that it will happen again and happen right here.

But I suppose you will just call me "hateful" when I join in with the world side chorus that cries out, "Never Again".


Now you’re using my arguments (which you previously ignored)?

Sure, Dan. Please fetch some Holocaust survivors to convince me that the evil white man inside the Darth Vader-esque Barack Obama suit is not actually George W. Bush, it’s really your pal Adolf, and he’s been resurrected. I feel absolutely zero threat that you actually know Holocaust survivors that believe Obama is really Hitler. I’m perfectly aware of their experiences, not only have I visited the Florida Holocaust Museum when I lived in St. Petersburg, Florida, I knew and spoke with people who survived it.

The reason I voted the way that I (and a majority of other Americans) did was to say “never again” to the last eight years of Republican fascism under ‘The Decider’. Unlike Adolf Gilmore and Иосиф Kalash, I made an effort to be an informed voter, and I still believe that things look brighter for having Obama as President-elect than McCain. If you don’t participate in democracy, you can’t legitimately complain that your voice is not heard.

But back to your threats to bring in others to parrot your arguments: get anyone you can find who can argue your case for you, with actual facts, citations and support for their arguments, and the ability to demonstrate logic and reasoning. You are an epic failure on all of these counts. Of course, I suppose I should not expect better from a man who (despite all of the polls) ‘personally guaranteed’ that McCain would win the election. All along, you’ve been wrong. (In fact, so wrong you believe Palin is qualified to be President, when she doesn’t even know what the Vice President does.) No wonder you’re bitter.

Do you have ties to an industry that is making record profits (e.g. the oil industry) as the rest of the economy tanks? Are you worried that Obama will take away the ‘favorite son’ treatment such industries have had under Bush/Cheney? Perhaps you’re concerned that there are not enough Republicans to continue to trample civil liberties?

Despite all of your unsubstantiated pseudo-intellectual posturing, you seem to persist in deliberately misunderstanding me or ignoring all of the points in my posts, merely to respond with more lies, exaggerations, logical fallacies, etc.

Not only do I think it can happen here, I think it has been happening here under your beloved Republicans. I’ve cited examples of it. Your only examples of how Barack Obama is secretly [insert one of Hitler/Mussolini/Stalin/Franco/all of the above] have been a teacher who should obviously be punished, who behaved in her classroom just like you do on this board and an organization for which George W. Bush and your can-do-no-wrong Republicans are responsible.


Today at 7:25am, Dan Gilmore wrote:
You are pathetic.


You’re projecting* again. But then, I suppose if you could somehow magically swap places with me, you would, so you’d finally be winning this argument.

— MordEth


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Today at 8:43am, steve432 wrote:
Dare I intervene into this little charade of an argument and say this: there are two clearly opposing views on show here; probably neither are right as the truth is usually somewhere in the middle BUT it has become a very depressing thread to read and it is very clear to me that neither "side" has a single hope in hell of convincing the other that they are "right" so what is the point of carrying on, folks?


Steve, I don’t think that there is much point in intervening, as Dan seems hell-bent to smear Obama as either:

a) A fascist.
b) Totalitarian.
c) Communist.
d) Socialist.
e) Marxist.
f) The newest and greatest escalation: the reincarnation of Hitler.
g) Stalin.
h) Mussolini.
i) Franco.
j) All of the above.

I’ve offered him many opportunities to try to convince me, pointing him repeatedly at Obama’s policy (and laudable effort to increase democracy online), but he persists in ignoring it and coming up with craziness, lies, and distorted interpretations of events to argue his cause.

As far as I can tell at the moment, he is arguing that the Darth Vader-esque Obama suit is no longer worn by George W. Bush; ‘The Decider’ has been replaced by the Second Coming of Hitler. And woe upon us all.


Today at 8:43am, steve432 wrote:
And I do believe personally that it is a little bit sad to mix REAL historical truths with potentially false future predictions. We're now remembering today those dead from all wars of the past (and present) so isn't it a little crass to confuse the Nazi state which presided over the killing of 6 million Jews with Obama's policies which have only so far been talked about, least of all, actioned?


A little sad? I feel sorry for anyone on this board who is Jewish. I think that, were I Jewish, I would feel insulted that the suffering of my people was merely one more deceitful weapon in Dan the Fascist’s litany of hate, racism, and bigotry.

Ironically, all of the the Jews that I know voted for Obama.

I don’t think this is a very useful statistic, but it is very amusing in light of Dan’s Obama = Hitler arguments. That, and the neo-Nazis want to kill Hitler Obama.


Today at 8:43am, steve432 wrote:
I'll go back to PHONOGRAPHS now and let you two slug it out for another 7 weeks! :)


You know, wanting to talk about something other than this insanity sounds a lot like something I mentioned yesterday.

Did someone swap Dan’s records for the Hitler-Jugend propaganda recordings?

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« Reply #68 Today at 1:29pm »

That's it. I will not be subjected to being called a racist, bigot or any other name by a screaming socialist and I will not be bullied into falling into lock-step with any socialist or any other form of totalitarian ignorance.

You want change? I'll give you some change. Call it censorship or anything you like. I've let this sh*t go on for too long. My limit and tolerance had been reached.

Thread locked. I sincerely hope that when I read you next posts in other threads that you don't really piss me off with your outrageous epithets.

Changes will be implemented on this board. I hope you like the change you get.

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